ancestorsblues obviously you're coming from discord. that's where you should go back. coming to a forum where everyone hates fling and you, that's what is silly
Self- Flinging / Momentum Boost - Fun Technique or Bad Exploit?
but seriously, you already have a place where you can voice your opinion. why come to forum? just to provoke us? come back when you have better intentions
we dont come to discord and tell you that you're wrong. stick to a place with likeminded people
im not saying anyones wrong , im voicing my opinions because i can . i cant have a real conversation with people ? if youre taking offense to me just sharing my thoughts then thats a deep seeded personal issue . i wasnt aware "everyone" hates fling in the party animals forum ?? my intentions are to see other peoples thoughts and try to get a better understanding of what the real "problem" is . if youre getting offended by someone online to the point where youre checking this forum every 5 minutes then you may need to touch some grass as the youngins might say lmfao.
i came here with good intentions . as does everyone here . people come here because they enjoy a game where you beat people up lol
ancestorsblues no you came here to provoke us and argue with us. you could spend 5 minutes to read older posts and see that people here dont like fling. it's only discorders who came to complain. but we know that being a discorder means you are incapable of reading more than a few last posts
and who just said that arguing is silly? do you have any self awarness?
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i only came here to write a response about the main conversation that this original post was about . made the comment about arguing with children because i read above for a few seconds and it just was not respectful or related to anything helpful whatsoever . since you obviously have a deep rooted issue where all you can do is think negatively and insult people because youre insecure about your own well being .
if you have any problems with my message and can only think of insults instead of some actually constructive feedback , please fix it within yourself , because me personally , i do not care enough to give you the time of day . have a lovely night / morning , you may keep responding but you might aswell will just be talking into the void of your own personal problems .
embarrassing . hope you can grow from this <3
we will not respond to retard above and remind other people that this thread is meant for members of this forum. discorders can communicate on discord. the person above did no come here to try to be a member of this forum, but only to cry, complain and provoke us.
we cant expect intelligence from a discorder, there is a gap here. as i stated above, trying to reason with those people is trying to reason with logs
this topic is reaching it's end. the decision has been made: it's to fix exploits. now we can only talk about patching the remaining holes. and kart racing
Igor wait they put the fling back in the game
Cartrimino yes. join us playing kart racing. i'll be hosting soon
tealpaws they were removed because they made the game unenjoyable and unbalanced. The only player expression that would be added is "I need a bug to be good at the game." @Igor has not been unkind to you, but you have came to complain and whine about how flinging was removed. Read through your posts. They all say why flinging brings the game together. Stop trying to disturb our peace and accept that you will have to play the game like the rest of us.
Sorry I can't play kart racing I'm not back in England yet
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Today, an irreversible decision has been made for the game's development course...
A decision that I only partially anticipated. What I didn't anticipate is the way our beloved developers once again choose to go about an important community-splitting matter like this. One would think that at least now it's going to be addressed on the communication side, but alas. Let's break it down then.
From 'Macros' to 'Combo Moves' - A Game Dev Tale
PR Department: "Quick, call it 'combo skills', make it look like a feature, have the narrative align with the unhappy players' takes. Now we just wait until the drama blows over." : D
Long story short: the flinging in all its mentioned iterations is back, but this time with a twist - a much bigger stamina consumption (and seemingly a modified input). A single self-fling will consume around 70% of player stamina. Well, at least now dodge-rolling is going to be more stamina-efficient against a self-fling when it comes to Conveyor for example.
Issues with this approach that I personally see:
By calling it 'combo skills', it's set in stone the devs officially legalized this. This honestly raises more questions than before:
Accessibility remains an issue as nothing changed in terms of getting this information across to the players in-game. No tutorials, tips, hints etc.
Level Design bypass remains an issue, and not only that, but also all reasons to fix this have now been dissipated as the 'combo skills' are now official and that might as well mean the level design bypass via that is perfectly 'legal'.
Item fling remains a thing, though even the "flingers" agreed it had to go.
I will not watch the community drama regarding this, but I can already tell you that the same people complaining about fling removal will be still unhappy with the change because the stamina consumption is too much.
This is looking like a damage control quick fix done in order to calm the community feedback and deal with the post-fling-fix decision. I mean it's just old control scheme being back + heavily increased stamina drain if you try to quickly input different moves one after another.
The developer really needs to write a statement on this to actually have the players on both sides calm down. So far all of these arguably BIG changes unfold in patch notes as a couple of sentences.
With time, this is probably going to be adjusted to feel more or less acceptable for both sides, but only the said time will tell.
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@tealpaws @ancestorsblues Hey you two! I appreciate you being nice and taking the time to write out a well put message with contructive feedback but to quote someone
"You just can't reason with stupid people. stupid people will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Igor here is the best example for that. As you can already tell it does not matter what you say. He is a sad 37 year old, russian man who is only here to insult children. You can't reason with people like that. So better not waste too much time on this forum.
There is also really no moderation here. It does not matter how much they insult eachother. The moderators do not take the necessary action @Barbie
Igor we will not respond to retard above
Like what kind of person do you have to be to insult people as retards in a forum full of kids.
But alright. About the Fling change. I am quite happy that it got nerfed but not removed. Maybe it was nerfed too much but I don't know. I feel like this is okay. Item Fling is still a weird one but we'll have to see how it plays out. But them accepting the fling as a legit move and not a exploit is a huge win. I am happy to hear that the developrs listened to the majority of the coomunity instead of the loud few.
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ancestorsblues It is stranger to hear "it was never a problem or exploit, repeating that is just strange" or "the fling and other combo moves werent the problem, nor were they ever a problem "as a seemingly (?) counter- argument to the detailed breakdown provided in my thread. I mean you leave no space for us to actually have a conversation about it.
I have so far provided a lot of info on this throughout the thread as to what and why. If that wasn't enough to make you think about it, then nothing else I say will. Had it not been a problem, I wouldn't have created this thread, or we wouldn't have these discussions over it. In fact, the majority of the people here initially agreed that with more people doing these flings it would become a problem, even the people that actually defended it.
Yes, it wasn't an auto-win, and people would lose games by trying it carelessly, but I never mentioned it wasn't like that. That's because it doesn't matter. It not being an auto-win or people finishing themselves off with that does not take away anything from the main points of the thread. You can also screw yourself by an unfortunate jump or a dropkick, or even a punch in some cases, it's... normal for this game. It can't really be used as an argument as to "why it should stay".
Do I understand correctly that controls feel slow, momentum is jank, and you're bored and losing interest as a result... because self- flinging/jump-punch-launching got removed? And that all is a kick in the face from the developer to skilled/experienced players?
Just think about this one for a moment. All of this... because of that fix. This is what is actually strange, very difficult to understand for me personally. Are we not collectively seeing a problem with that statement?
The issue I see with such statements is that you don't really account for anything other than your own personal enjoyment of the game. It's fair, in a way, but is sort of one- sided for this thread.
komikoza he doesn't read previous posts. All he does is focus on what he thinks, and that leads him to say stupid things like that.
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remsphoria this isnt the real Vicksy. went on their stream and they said it's not them so dont fall for this
Like Remsphoria already said. This is not the real Streamer
I mean feel free to like and dislike whoever you want but making a fake account to post stuff like this is kinda pathetic lol
Igor more provoking? get spit on
I was not "Provoking" you. You literally insulted someone as a retard and I only called you out for what you are. ;D Also remember saying that you would stop responding to me? I knew your Ego could not handle that. Maybe stick to your own advice and shut it
I also like your pfp Cartrimino! idk where to put this but here you go