Shovels been Nerfed

jej

komikoza

AnimaI I'll take this opportunity to apologize for that as well. I agree with your assessment of Wrayyne's post, though I also don't think he really meant it in a bad way (not trying to protect, just trying to understand the reason for that being posted). That being said, your reaction could've been better as well. I would still suggest to reconsider leaving like that though. 😕

Moving on straight to the _arguingtopic...

I think it's a positive that the Shovel got its tweaks, they specified it's the "damage", which in my head means people won't die from 2-3 hits after being hit by the Shovel when K.O.d. I don't know, however, if it is the damage of the Shovel that makes it that bad, and not the K.O. state itself. All I can say is there's no surprise that Shovel and Nunchuks will be affected. Regardless, we don't know what it is yet.

Your guys' strong reaction to this is as "omg the noobs have won" and other stuff like "grow up, accept your mistakes" etc. is concerning though. Feels like nothing short of elitism, which is never healthy for any game or any community. It will always be off- putting, and if you would want your opinions to be really heard by all sides, you have to get it across in a friendlier way.

Allistervf

komikoza The reason I feel this way is it sends the community a message. And the way a lot of people will process it is: "Instead of playing and becoming more skilled, I should just complain until the bar is lowered for me."

My responses to the nerf shovel posts that proceeded this happening have become more elitist. You're absolutely right. This is because after the 7th or 8th time I had typed out all the ways to counterplay weapons and given tips on how to overcome players who crutch on weapons, my patience for this mindset ran out and I began seeing people who decry one thing or another and demand nerfs to be among the most insufferable here. There are people here who did the same, who also tried to teach others that the weapons aren't that bad, and that you can beat them with a bit of strategy. But apparently changing your gameplay and putting effort into overcoming obstacles was just too much to ask.

So yeah, my opinion is that the crybabies win. It won't stop me from enjoying the game. Just feels bad to have tried many times to offer advice that would help, and instead we have to just accommodate a lack of effort.

zuimaomao413

Allistervf I don't think that weakening the shovel means that the baby wins, but it improves the experience for every player, the shovel is still powerful, and when you play for 300 hours, you will find the true depth of the game

zuimaomao413

Allistervf My friend played for nearly 500 hours, and the weakening of the shovel increased rather than decreased the gameplay.

Allistervf

zuimaomao413 I don't think that anyone who has played 300+ hours has trouble with things like shovels, because they've played enough to understand how to beat them.

Also in-game currency isn't at all relative to enjoyment or ability, it just implies your friend has a generous credit card.

zuimaomao413

Allistervf But if you are a newbie to the game and are killed in seconds as soon as you enter the game, you will not have the patience to think about continuing to play such a game

zuimaomao413

Allistervf I'm just using cookies to prove the length of play, not Nemo money, to show that I'm not talking nonsense

Horses

zuimaomao413 but if you remove the challenge of fighting over the good weapons then you remove a lot of the fun. If the game was super easy then what fun would that really be?

Allistervf

People don't spawn with shovels in hand though. The first time a newbie sees someone rush for a shovel and eliminate them, they'll understand that the weapon makes them dangerous. The next time they'll keep their distance. They'll start to see the patterns, the swing direction, the time it takes. And eventually they'll see someone dropkick the shovel holder, and it will disarm them. Or throw a bomb the shovel holder is too slow to escape from. Or use a crossbow or freeze gun to knock them off at a safe distance. You don't need hundreds of hours to play, just the willingness to observe and learn.

zuimaomao413

Allistervf But as a game that currently needs a base of players, allowing more people, possibly some girls or ladies, to contact this game, too strong weapons for them, may be a reason to quit the game，you have to agree this

jej

zuimaomao413 As a Girl i would say I would of played the game if the weapons were 10% stronger than they are rn because the weapons strength has nothing to do with whether I want to play or not, every animal has the same ability when it comes to picking up weapons.

Allistervf

Being a girl doesn't make you any worse at video games than a man though? I'm on both the discord and the forum (though I usually just quietly lurk the discord to read what's being said) and there are a lot of female players of Party Animals. Their gender doesn't make them any less capable, and they definitely haven't quit because a shovel exists.

zuimaomao413

Allistervf i said some new guys，Not all people are the same

Tygamer2

Allistervf Respect to you hell i play alot of COD and iv had girls play better idk what he is on about

Allistervf

Not all people are so easily discouraged as to quit the first time the get shoveled. Your assessment is correct, but it works both ways. For every one person who quits the second they lose their first match, there are dozens who will keep trying.

Also jej , I am so glad you were here to say that. You proved the point better than I could have ever put it into words.

RxPhantom

So much drama in this thread! Personally, I'm shocked that it was the shovel that got the nerf, but man, you'd think the sky had fallen. Maybe the devs have been eyeing a nerf before the game officially released. Maybe it enhances the overall experience rather than diminishes it. People act as though elements of this game are sacrosanct.

It's a shovel. You'll live.

Macchi

RxPhantom
You can check the release notes both here in the forum: https://forum.partyanimals.com/d/930-patch-notes/9
Or on the Steam news: https://steamcommunity.com/games/1260320/announcements/detail/3719469846522753333

LutenantTan

Moment of silence...

HappyDogs

UnseenMind shovels being nerfed, arguing, ect

Allistervf

HappyDogs well summarized, I suppose. Have a dog treat, on the house.

UnseenMind

HappyDogs Thats not gonna kill the game lol

HappyDogs

Allistervf no I'm just complaining the nerf doesn't do anything to the shovel you just need strategy

HappyDogs

UnseenMind your right I used the shovel on ichiban and I wipped out the hole lobby

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