I LOVE NUNCHUCKS THE WAY THEY ARE!! Don't nerf anything!

AnimaI

People who complain about nunchucks or shovels have no reason to. They have just as much of an ability to pick those weapons up as all other players.

Ultimately weapons are there for a reason. It's to change up the style of play and to create moments of suspense.

If weapons were to be weakened to be closer to fighting with fists, those moments of suspense would no longer exist.

Weapons are awesome, and nunchucks ARE MY FAVORITE.

Great game.

UnseenMind

AnimaI Somebody loves his nunchucks lol

PurePeppermintz

on the contrary, they are just a better shovel. they have better ragdoll potential if you do jump shots, and they are way more rapid. it's the bat speed combined with the power of shovel. I'd argue just changing the purpose of the weapon. keep it the same animation but increase the chance to knock yourself out. it's a good weapon idea, I don't want it removed, but if it's dwarfing the value of other items, then its objectively unhealthy for the game. all items want to strive to have an equally valuable role in the game.

AnimaI

PurePeppermintz

You don't seem to understand how nerfing the nunchucks by increasing the chance of self-knockout like you say, would harm the quality of the game.

Good action games have suspense. Suspense often can be built up when adversaries become more powerful.
If you make the weapons suck, there will be less suspense.

Right now, if your enemy picks up nunchucks, and it's just you and him and let's say you're playing in ice breaker, you're going to be like OH SHI7. And you're going to run around like that OH SHI7, OH SHI7, OH SHI7. And you're going to hope someone knocks him out with a fish. Some other people might try their luck at knocking the person who has the nunchucks out (it's really not that hard, the way they currently are. they DEFINITELY don't need nerfed)

But if they are weakened, that suspense is just going to go away. There will be less oh shi7 moments. The game will slide closer to boredom.

You want balance? You're just as capable of picking up nunchucks as your opponents are. That's balance.

PurePeppermintz

AnimaI that's pigeonholing my point. I'm not telling you to nerf the weapon purely to make it worse. you can knock yourself out with the boomerang, or freeze yourself with ice, etcetera etcetera. you can relax, you have a bias, and you need to calm down.

the truth is, a weapon like the shovel, at least requires good timing and spacing. the bat requires you to be up close and due to vertical hitboxes, you must be a bit more accurate. the nun chucks are over tuned. I don't care if both sides can grab it, that's not the issue. the problem is, once you have it, you will most likely take anyone out that tries to attack you. the rapid attacks are too much to counter.

if someone has a frying pan, it's a decent 50/50 to take them out. you go for a kicking or a sprint punch, you have a decent chance. chances are you can't just run and headbutt, so forth. it chances the dynamic of that engagement. with the chucks, you must simply run away, and hope they knock themselves out in a timely matter. I've seen someone with them hold 3 people hostage on the game map. multiple knockouts in a row. over tuned. no other weapon comes remotely close to that level of dominance.

weapons are meant to change the pace of a game, not make you a one-man army.

AnimaI

PurePeppermintz

Dude I've been knocked out while I was using the nunchucks in one-on-one battles. It's not that difficult.
I've also knocked other nunchuck users out when playing against them one-on-one.

You don't have to wait for them to knock themselves out. You just need to get better.

Anyway, you seem to have completely failed to understand what I meant by building up suspense.
With weaker weapons, there is less suspense. If a weapon has a bunch of things that make it easy for the user of that weapon to be knocked out, people will be less scared of that weapon. Less fear of a weapon means less suspense when a player picks up that weapon. Less suspense in a game leads to more boredom with the game.

If you don't like it when you face players who get the nunchucks, then, instead of complaining about it so much, try to prioritize getting that weapon for yourself.

Here is what I think. If you start doing that, and picking up that weapon more yourself, you're going to notice you get knocked out a lot with it.

Because it's really not that difficult to knock someone out who is using nunchucks.

They're fine the way they are!

Also this: @PurePeppermintz: "you need to calm down"

You must be projecting because nothing in my message conveyed that I wasn't calm. So... I'm guessing you must have steam coming out of your ears or something.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Calm down.

PurePeppermintz

AnimaI I'm telling you to calm down, because in a discussion about nerfing and buffing, you keep saying stuff like "you must not understand" which is incredibly rude. you're basically saying you know more than others, and that I don't have valuable info to offer. you are dismissing my experience and input. that's the point of saying calm down, and why I said you have a bias.

also, suspense? it's a game. not a book. suspense is not what the game is about. suspense is built up to a choke point, not a fast-paced action game. at no point should we have a weapon that "builds suspense" because that means it slows the burn of the game down. that is objectively unhealthy.

AnimaI

PurePeppermintz

"I'm telling you to calm down, because in a discussion about nerfing and buffing, you keep saying stuff like "you must not understand" which is incredibly rude. you're basically saying you know more than others, and that I don't have valuable info to offer. you are dismissing my experience and input. that's the point of saying calm down, and why I said you have a bias."

It's not rude; it's stating a fact. You obviously don't understand the developer intent and have no idea how suspense works in games. If you want to think that's rude for stating a fact, whatever dude. Also it's crazy that you seem to think I'm the only one with bias. You don't think you have a bias? LOL.

@PurePeppermintz: "also, suspense? it's a game. not a book. suspense is not what the game is about. suspense is built up to a choke point, not a fast-paced action game. at no point should we have a weapon that "builds suspense" because that means it slows the burn of the game down. that is objectively unhealthy."

Once again you're demonstrating that you don't understand the intent behind how the game is designed.

NEWSFLASH: Suspense is not just limited to books.

AnimaI

PurePeppermintz "Wrayyne this animal user argues with everyone, don't worry. ignore them like most have learned and move forward! <3"

You and Wrayyne are among those who this thread was directed at. Trying to change the game by making the weapons more boring and standardized, thereby making the game more boring, all because you lose too much and you, for whatever reason, think you're going to lose less if that happens.

PurePeppermintz incessantly about nunchucks.
https://forum.partyanimals.com/d/1279-i-love-nunchucks-the-way-they-are-dont-nerf-anything/1

thetwopigs

Just nerf nunchucks, way OP for a party game, kills the fun.

Unless, buff other weapons so to balance the damage/range of/to counter nunchucks.

Igor

dont nerf, learn to pick them up faster than other players

AnimaI

Igor "dont nerf, learn to pick them up faster than other players"

exactly.

Allistervf

Gotta take Animal's side here. The weapons have their pros, cons, and counterplay strats. They're fine as they are. If they feel powerful....good. they're SUPPOSED to.

Llamakittenn

Let’s put the shovel & nunchucks in the throwable items along with the mooncakes , bananas & bombs 😈Muwahahahah

Allistervf

Llamakittenn OOH YES. I'd love to throw a shovel to someone. Or just at someone.

SLIMETrout

I agree DON'T NERF THE NUNCHUCKS

Swhaps

i feel like the lower my stamina is the more chance of getting knocked out by my own nun chucks. is this just me?

AnimaI

Swhaps

It's a combination of that and of how long you hold down the button.

If you hold the button down you get knocked out. If you just sparsely tap the button here and there as needed, you won't get knocked out.

GhostClown

Agree with keep nunchucks and shovel the same; I'm actually here wanting a buff to frying pan. Lol I guess so I am suggesting something beyond just saying it, either could add burning damage to it and have it look sizzling or something, or make its attack pattern more like the bat so it's an up down vertical attack with wider area.